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Grain-based Coffee Substitutes?
nomesque
ID#: 10734
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10:21:51 AM on 20-05-2005
Hi ppls,

I'm wondering if anyone knows of health risks involved in drinking grain-based coffee substitutes like Ecco (I think I've got the right name there - for some reason I get two beverage names mixed up)?

I love my coffee.  But I've noticed in the past that it's the texture and feeling of 'fullness' that I'm most fond of... the substitutes often work just fine, despite not tasting anything like coffee.  I'm asuming that's because they're grain-based and have a similar texture... I like tea, but it just doesn't have the same 'filling' effect.

Soooo... my point is, hubby and I are trying to get me pregnant, I'm figuring coffee might not be hindering, but surely isn't helping, the process.  So I'm thinking of going back to something like Ecco.  I'm figuring that's better than coffee.  I guess my questions are:

- Are there any health risks (esp. regarding pregnancy/conception) anyone knows of, with these drinks?

- Does anyone know of a nice _organic_ coffee sub?

(sorry for the rambling.  It's friday, it's early, I'm tired (and drinking coffee)).
cameo
ID#: 10735
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11:56:15 AM on 20-05-2005
Can't help you with health risks or coffee subs, but I had an idea re "the filling effect".

Someone (don't remember who) on this board recently convinced me to try chai tea made with soymilk, and my sister's a big fan of tea made mostly with milk.

I tried chai tea made with soymilk (all soymilk!) and found it to be a very, very filling hot drink - so that's just an idea!
Dark Horse
Moderator

ID#: 10736
Vegetarian and Vegan Society of Queensland member
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12:52:24 PM on 20-05-2005
The Seventh Day Adventists who advocate vegetarianism, although only about half of them practise it, disapprove strongly of "brown drinks" and have written a book (which we sell for $5.50 plus $1.50 postage), called Poison with a Capital C - A Case Against Coffee and Other Brown Drinks.  However they do not mention any of the substitutes, such as Dandelion and Ecco etc, which they used to sell themselves, when they had retail stores.  They would certainly come under the heading of "brown drinks" as would Marmite used as a broth.  As they are in the health industry, I would hazard a guess and say that their objections are based only on brown drinks that contain caffeine, such as coffee, tea and cocoa.

Oh, I like the Dandelion, on the odd occasions I do buy it, but it is expensive, and I also feel it (and the other substitutes) are weak and wishy washy with no body. I usually make it with two heaped teaspoons, but it doesn't make it any "thicker" As I drink tea and coffee etc black with no sugar, I don't know how it would go with milk or sugar. I think the flavour would be swamped with soy milk or sugar added.
nomesque
ID#: 10740
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2:14:45 PM on 20-05-2005
Cameo.... hmmm, interesting!  You mean heat the soymilk, then add the teabag/teaball?  That could work, although I might try finding a better milk... over the years I've come to drink less and less soy and I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing.  Maybe almond milk... theoretically it'd have some protein, too...

DH... thanks for the comments.  I've never heard anything against them, which disturbs me a little in this world where _everything_ has to have at least one health warning against it *lol*
Geoff
ID#: 10746
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3:52:44 PM on 20-05-2005
There are problems with coffee substitutes as some of them come from Poland and I think that there's still a risk of contamination from Chernobyl. Caro is made by Nestle so buying it would not be an ethical choice.
I use Nature's Cuppa (which tastes like *!)
Geoff
ID#: 10747
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3:58:33 PM on 20-05-2005
I see that I'm not allowed to use the word '*' How ridiculous to have to use Latin words like 'excrement' when we have a perfectly good English term like '*'. If it was good enough for whoever wrote the Bible, Geoff Chaucer and Bill Shakespeare, it should be good enough for the VVSQ Forum!
Dark Horse
Moderator

ID#: 10752
Vegetarian and Vegan Society of Queensland member
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7:50:32 PM on 20-05-2005
My, you've done some reading, Geoffrey!!  I gather you feel that excrement doesn't have quite the same ring to it, eh?
Ella
ID#: 10756
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10:23:38 AM on 21-05-2005
dandelion and chai tea are nice. I always use twice the ammount required though, i like my drinks to taste strong.

The dandelion with soy milk isnt over powered at all. Its actually quite nice with a dash of vanilla soy.
cameo
ID#: 10796
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7:11:54 AM on 23-05-2005
yep nomesque, that's exactly what I meant.
Cooky
ID#: 10798
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10:43:16 AM on 23-05-2005
There is an 'oxygen bar' in West End that sells coffee substitutes.  I think it's called Blue Oxygen.  It looks like a very health focussed place, so I'm sure they could tell you what goes into it, and if there are any concerns for conception/pregnancy.  I haven't been in there, just noticed the signs out the front -- might be a little expensive, I'm not sure.  

Since you said you're not hooked on the taste of coffee, you might find some of the other suggestions more convenient and just as satisfying!
Ella
ID#: 10806
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12:16:27 PM on 23-05-2005
Blue oxygen are great. They have some nice stuff in there.

Its in browning street where west side tattoo used to be
Ems
ID#: 10824
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4:36:02 PM on 23-05-2005
Have you tried rice coffee? Before I became hooked on Benguet blend coffee when I was in the Philippines (freshly ground from the markets - I bought back a heap of the stuff), I spent a lot of time up in the mountains with my family drinking their traditional coffee - a burnt rice beverage. It's stunning with honey, and totally decaf. I wouldn't be sure of the health benefits although I'm sure there's little threat involved. Try "Best Friends" Filipino supermarket down in the valley train station arcade.

Note for everyone  - when you say "chai tea" you're actually saying "tea" twice - "tea tea"!!! It's just chai ;)
Geoff
ID#: 10831
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6:58:42 PM on 23-05-2005
Good to see another pedant on the forum Ems!
I wonder if you say 'PIN number'? :-)
Dark Horse
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ID#: 10834
Vegetarian and Vegan Society of Queensland member
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9:42:13 PM on 23-05-2005
Even the blooming tellers say "pin number"!!  Tell them it's a tautology and they look at you as though you're nuts -- but then maybe they look at me as though I'm nuts because I'm still veg*n despite being told by so many that it's a waste of time.
Geoff
ID#: 10838
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1:23:18 PM on 24-05-2005
People tell me that I'm a waste of SPACE!
nomesque
ID#: 10842
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1:56:21 PM on 24-05-2005
LOL geoff.

Gee am I the only nasty veg*n around?  People don't hassle me or say nasty things to me about my lifestyle choices.  They haven't for years.
Ella
ID#: 10844
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1:58:51 PM on 24-05-2005
hehe chai tea, pin number...
what really gets at me is ATM machine...

automatic teller machine machine...

so infuriating.
cameo
ID#: 10890
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1:17:50 PM on 25-05-2005
don't worry Ella, it get's worse.  In my job title, thanks to an acronym, it says "... systems systems..."!!

Chai tea - culturally speaking, that term has it's place.  Chai means 'tea' in many languages, and the tea can be anything from good old ordinary tealeaves to an infused combination of herbs and spices.  

Chai tea in Australia refers to a certain, particular blend of spices for a tea.  So in Australia, if everyone understood that "chai" means tea, if I ordered a 'chai' at a cafe I could expect to probably get a tea made from tealeaves.  If I want my clovey/cinnamony/gingery concotion that I put together myself or buy from the supermarket in tea bags, I'd have to ask for 'chai tea'.  There's certainly a place for the term 'chai tea' and it's certainly not wrong.
nomesque
ID#: 11066
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4:48:06 PM on 01-06-2005
Well, I eventually managed to buy one.  'Bambu' made by Bioforce.  Organic, made from chicory, figs, wheat, malted barley and acorns.  Not bad... seems to be passing the texture test at least.  And I don't need to add extra sugar.
Kristin
ID#: 11070
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5:34:55 PM on 01-06-2005
that sounds nice Nomesque!
Geoff
ID#: 11072
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7:03:52 PM on 01-06-2005
I think that 'coffee' made from 'haycorns' was the norm in Germany during the war.
I tend to use the term 'chai' to mean chai tea and 'tea' for normal tea but I quite agree with Cameo ('sawcy pedantic wretch' that she is (that's a (mis)quote from John Donne, DH!))
Dark Horse
Moderator

ID#: 11077
Vegetarian and Vegan Society of Queensland member
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9:58:13 PM on 01-06-2005
Thank you Geoffrey!
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