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Photos from an Ipswich Abattoir
WARNING Graphic Images
Dark Horse
Moderator

ID#: 36579
Vegetarian and Vegan Society of Queensland member
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5:35:13 PM on 13-05-2006
These photos were taken by a young Italian photography student.

http://www.vegsoc.org.au/abattoir.asp
Veganessa
ID#: 36583
Vegetarian and Vegan Society of Queensland member
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6:14:44 PM on 13-05-2006
God, the photo of the cow looking back at the camera, while her friends hang by one leg, is so sad ;(
Shane
ID#: 36585
Vegetarian and Vegan Society of Queensland member
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6:18:23 PM on 13-05-2006
You are braver than me for looking Veganessa. As soon as I see the word abattoir I start to hyperventilate.
Veganessa
ID#: 36587
Vegetarian and Vegan Society of Queensland member
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6:43:51 PM on 13-05-2006

Usually, I would run a mile too, Shane, but I recently made a conscious decision to force myself to look. Somehow, after years of veganism, and not looking at such things, the facts had become easier to discuss? By seeing these terrible images, my passion and focus have become stronger…like it was when I first went vegan. It was photos like these that made me aware; I don’t ever want to forget the extent of animal suffering, or become complacent about it.    

Shane
ID#: 36590
Vegetarian and Vegan Society of Queensland member
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6:50:57 PM on 13-05-2006
I know how you feel  Veganessa,  I read alot of the things and keep informed and I have to say my hate of the human race and the people who do these things never diminish. Its just some things really do my head in and I know if I look I will never sleep again. The images are in my mind always and out of sight for me is never out of mind. These poor souls occupy my thoughts 24 hours a day.

I just wish the meat eaters would look at these things. They are the ones who just "dont want to know" and they are the ones who really should know
Cranky
ID#: 36592
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6:55:31 PM on 13-05-2006
That photo of the cow looking into the camera really made a big impact on me. I spent ages looking into his/her big brown eyes, and willing her/him into a better place. I know they are all in a better place now, away from people who can harm them any more. I just wish that this didn't happen all day, every day, in every part of the planet. >:(
Julie May
ID#: 36595
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7:31:45 PM on 13-05-2006
Can't and won't look at any more. I've seen enough to never forget. I just can't understand how these people can do it (working in abattoirs). I wish I wasn't even born sometimes, nor do I wish those poor creatures were ever born either, when they are, bred, raised, and slaughtered in the most remorseless and insufferable conditions. It's all too upsetting.  
Kristin
ID#: 36654
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1:40:06 AM on 14-05-2006
I can't look either!!!
JM I for one am glad you where born :)
Bob
ID#: 36740
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12:22:35 PM on 14-05-2006
I rarely comment here on topics like this but will stick my head out this time. From the time the animals get to the end of the race and into the killing crush they are USUALLY isolated from anything you see in these photo's. They enter the kill floor DEAD, the images are as distressing as are images of any dead animal to some/most humans in varying degrees and I believe very few, if any animals. What would really distress me is if the animals were killed and were not utilised whether by humans or other organisms. I do not believe we should cater for religeous beliefs or support Hallal killing. Providing the animal dies quickly I have no problem. I think I will just leave the computer off for a few days now.
Sorry Julie May.
Shane
ID#: 36745
Vegetarian and Vegan Society of Queensland member
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1:20:45 PM on 14-05-2006
Yes Bob, good idea
Veganessa
ID#: 36762
Vegetarian and Vegan Society of Queensland member
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4:19:27 PM on 14-05-2006

"...and I believe very few, if any animals." Bob

Bob, I was just imagining that, if I had magical powers, I could turn you into one of those poor creatures. Then, I could bring you back from the dead, to see how differently you felt about their ability to understand and feel pain. However, I wouldn’t even wish that upon my worst enemy (and you are a friend, I think lol)….so, it can’t be too surprising that I don’t want a defenseless animal to have to endure it.

Isn’t the fact that you don’t know how they feel, and can’t say with any certainty, enough? Why not give them the benefit of the doubt? Would you hate to be wrong, or wouldn’t it bother you?

Shane
ID#: 36766
Vegetarian and Vegan Society of Queensland member
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4:37:38 PM on 14-05-2006
I guess Veganessa it just makes it a bit easier to pretend that animals dont have feelings or dont know whats going on when you are the ones who end up eating them.

Just shows that there probably is even a tiny bit of guilt involved by meat eaters, not enough to stop them eating it, but to try to justify it by saying they dont feel anything.

"As long as its quick"!! I dont know that it being quick makes it all better either. The fact that it happens at all is the worst crime of all
Julie May
ID#: 36773
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5:25:04 PM on 14-05-2006
Well put Veganessa and Shane,
Please Bob, view these these links as well (requires sound),  which Koby from Israel Animal Liberation has kindly posted under this thread, then please be honest and tell us that this is so inhumane and so awful. I cried for days when I watched them and I cannot watch them ever again.
How these animals suffer, and you can't say that they don't smell the blood and fear, and hear the cries of anguish of the other animals in line before them when they meet their gruesome death. And look at the calves in how they're reared in tiny crates for veal, the torture must be so horrible for words.  For your sake, I hope you don't come back as an animal for consumption.

http://www.vegsoc.org.au/forum_messages.asp?Thread_ID=1377&Topic_ID=8
Bob
ID#: 36817
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9:58:09 PM on 14-05-2006
Veganessa
I have absolutely no doubt that animals feel pain and in a different form probably plants too, after all it is probably our most important sense. Without pain which is just an increase of any of our senses we would not be aware of increased danger to our bodies but as to whether animals experience the same levels of physical and emotional pain as humans that is debateable. Even within species there are marked obvious responses and that goes for humans too.
Even as humans we are subjected to large amounts of involuntary pain and suffering and no matter how much we try to eliminate it there will always be differing amounts for some people and some animals. Whether animals can grasp the concept of death I have seen no real sign of it but they certainly can grasp the concept of pain and possibly impending pain causing fear to some degrees. Without this ability they would have become extinct long ago, the human concept of cruelty which I certainly don't believe animals experience is really only applicable when extreme pain is inflicted knowingly to abuse either animals or humans. I have absolutely no doubt about the ability of humans to participate in this and even from the most unexpected individuals. I don't think human nature could ever surprise me.
Shane
Guess we will never agree but as above I have never denied animals don't feel while they are alive and once we are dead, animal or human thats it we are then less than the common concept of a vegetable the only immortality is our offsping.
Julie May
Used to think about whether I would come back or whether anyone I had crossed would be waiting but think like religeon it is a crock. If it were so I will be no different to any organism ever produced anyway. We are only here once it is not a rehearsal enjoy it while you can.
Shane
ID#: 36820
Vegetarian and Vegan Society of Queensland member
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10:07:14 PM on 14-05-2006
I guess Bob, thats why we fight so hard for animal rights and the prevention of cruelty in any form..because we are all only here once ,including non human animals and feel that they also have the right to enjoy their one time here.
burlof
ID#: 36824
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10:16:31 PM on 14-05-2006
It took me ages to click into this thread. I cant click the link,I am having a hard enough time reading the contents here. :( I can only imagine the torture and torment. I feel it.
Peter Milne
ID#: 36867
Vegetarian and Vegan Society of Queensland member
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11:22:46 AM on 15-05-2006
Even though I was at the abattoir protest and have seen these photos before, I've had another look and I feel sick.
Bob, my understanding is that the cows hit the kill floor unconscious, that is if the stun gun has worked properly. For the cows in the 'knocking pen' (ie like the cow waiting with the swinging bodies behind him/her), the air would be thick with the smell of blood, and noise - the result being utter terror. It would not be easy to hit that poor animal accurately with the 'stun gun'.
Dark Horse
Moderator

ID#: 36873
Vegetarian and Vegan Society of Queensland member
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12:28:17 PM on 15-05-2006
My understanding of the stun gun is just that - that it supposedly stuns the animal so that the heart still pumps all the blood out, and the animal supposedly doesn't feel it.  That is why Halal killing is just that much worse, because the animal is still alive - to pump the blood out, but they are not stunned first. Why their religion objects to stunning I don't know.

From SLaughterhouse by Gail Eisnitz, some abattoirs in the US have the pressure so low on the captive bolt that they are pretty well fully conscious when they are "processed" on the way down the line.  It could virtually be called Halal killing anyway - except that  maybe they aren't facing the right direction!
dogangel
ID#: 36897
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5:29:59 PM on 15-05-2006
I am to depressed to look ,but it  will be  a good idea to send it to  some  people i know that believe  it all  to be  overdone the suffering part i mean, then  they  can have a good look  at what takes place  and decide from that themselves..........
Shane
ID#: 36931
Vegetarian and Vegan Society of Queensland member
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8:03:09 PM on 15-05-2006
Lets hope they actually take notice Dogangel and not deny it like most of the population do.


tim
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ID#: 36946
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9:20:46 PM on 15-05-2006
Bob said “the images are as distressing as are images of any dead animal to some/most humans in varying degrees”

the images are distressing.  This may suggest that eating meat is not our natural way.  If I was to look at a pile of veggies and fruit being cut up and juiced I may feel hungry.  The pictures of the blood and the carved up animals actually made me feel sick.  So on seeing them I had no desire to eat.

Eating meat – it is simply not in our nature.
Bob
ID#: 37019
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10:42:18 PM on 16-05-2006
DH
I think the Muslims argue that the bolt gun can kill them and they won't be alive while bleeding. Have never pursued it but I do know they wouldn't let us use a bolt gun or electric stunning on deer in one abby so we didn't kill there. I can find out more on the weekend about the bolt guns but do know as with when they were using bullets they can recover but very rarely.
Peter
That animal cannot see any of the other animals and have seen no proof that they know about blood and death etc but they can be stressed by normal yarding although depending on their history that is not going to cause extreme panic. I have watched cattle, sheep, goats and pigs and only the pigs show any stress but then they seem to show stress at anything that breaks their routine.
Tim
Maybe by trying to generalise and not trivialise I overstated by using the word distressed. I totally accept that most on here are distressed by dead animals from whatever cause and many eaters could be if in close proximity. Many more may find it unpleasant and confronting if not used to it but most really do not have a problem depending on the circumstances. I was at a mates place the other night and he cooked up two big steaks and vegies for his poodle while he and his wife had sandwiches. The dog is treated like royalty and as I have known this bloke for over fifty years I know he would have no qualms butchering or killing any animal but if that dog died he would be distraught. I have another mate who with humans and many animals shows no compunction at harming them but his many pets are treated as tenderly as his children and probably more so. Personally I am only upset if animals or humans are treated or killed cruely and have no problems at all with the body after they are dead but would be distressed if the bodies were human and the the closer they are they worse it would be. I was very happy to clean the two ducks I got tonight and was only unhappy when I found out my grandaughter wanted some. I accept that this is totally abhorrent to you but I daresay somethings you find acceptable are unpleasant to me. We are all different.
Shane
ID#: 37046
Vegetarian and Vegan Society of Queensland member
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10:58:01 PM on 16-05-2006
Its true Bob, we are all different.

Thank Goodness for that.
cavy_gurl
ID#: 37095
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2:13:36 AM on 17-05-2006
Thankyou for posting those pictures. They are extremely sad...

Those animals had a right to life just as much as any other living creature on this earth and it was taken away for the selfish purpose of being eaten. So selfish people can gouge themselves on animal flesh. Well I hope they realise they hired the killer, they are responsible for the murder of these innocent animals.

Ignorance is bliss... if anyone can justify taking another creatures life because they CAN they have no feelings. If you look at those pictures and can still justify eating meat, then there truely are cold hearted selfish people in the world.



Shane
ID#: 37097
Vegetarian and Vegan Society of Queensland member
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8:16:36 AM on 17-05-2006
The world is FULL of them Cavy_gurl, no doubt about that.
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